Liz Wilson: How She Helped Vets

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Posted on May 7, 2013 by Susan Orosz, PhD, DVM, Dipl ABVP (Avian), Dipl ECZM (Avian)

“Liz Wilson-isms”

OroszWilsonI really can’t remember when I first met Liz — it was so long ago. Avian medicine was in its infancy, and we would attend meetings and hang onto every word. Those words would provide clues that might help us save birds’ lives. There were few pieces of information written, so we relied on the experiences of others to help us move forward in the field of avian medicine.

Most meetings of the Association on Avian Veterinarians were small enough that you got to know those in attendance pretty quickly, and it was there that I first heard Liz talk. She came by her credentials from the road of experience — as a veterinary technician who had seen a lot of parrots and, like all of us, knew that we needed to help them adjust to a life in captivity.

She came to lecture to veterinary students and veterinarians back in the early ’90s at The University of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine.  I think that was my first time to sit down with Liz over a period of days and talk ”parrot.” Her deep voice (a bit gravelly), quick wit, and even quicker assessment of the situation, were hallmarks.

I remember the first thing that Liz wanted all parrot owners to do when they first got their bird and especially if they were having a problem: she wanted them to take it to their avian vet! She needed them to learn from their vet the “bad birdie” diseases and how to keep them safe. We all knew then that husbandry issues – the lack of quality care, from food to cages – had a hand in killing birds. As a veterinary technician, Liz knew how important it was at getting care right. In a more recent conversation with her, we discussed that even fewer new bird owners, and even bird owners in general, do not seek yearly exams and help from avian veterinarians.

Liz was even more alarmed at Internet doctoring and many owners’ lack of general knowledge. She alluded to the hazard of Internet misinformation and mystery sources with her famous quote, “The danger with internet quotes is that they can rarely be verified…  Abraham Lincoln. ” With this, she again demonstrated her wit and cut-to-the-chase style of communication.  She knew that this problem has only escalated and is a detriment to parrots!

Another topic that we had recently discussed was her rewriting of the veterinary issue topics in her articles. The first issue is “Is it TRUE you can’t tell when a bird is SICK?”  She relates in one of her articles that a novice bird owner actually picked out a bird because he was “real nice and quiet.” Her recommendation was to … you guessed it … take your bird to your avian vet! As she related, it is NOT normal for a parrot to be quiet. And in this case the bird had psittacosis, a disease that can be transmitted to people and make them very sick! The point is that birds often have subtle symptoms when they are first sick, and these early warning signs are very important clues. That means that when an owner sees a bird on the bottom of the cage, the time to go to the vet … is NOW!

“When dogs are sick they stare at you with mournful eyes and they practically pull on your pant leg and say I DON’T FEEL GOOD! This is because (as a predator species) the body language is so different… and with birds the body language is unfamiliar.” Liz related that she had a problem with her female, blue-and-gold macaw, Sam, and so she took her to her avian vet. She said that she knew that there was a change but “telling the difference between a normal biological change and that a medical problem developing is the job of a competent avian veterinarian.”

As she told vet students so long ago, when working with owners she would refuse to work on their bird’s behavior problem until they had been “vetted,” that is, the bird was thoroughly examined by a veterinarian. She also insisted that birds go to qualified vets. In one of her articles, she related how a bird owner said her vet had told her that her bird had a runny nose due to an allergy. Liz, in her quintessential, direct manner, questioned the qualifications of “this vet! ” She stressed that the vet be “competent in avian medicine.” And to determine a vet’s competency, Liz had a routine question that she would pose to the receptionist — “What was the most recent continuing education avian veterinary seminar the vet attended?” As she said, there are fewer veterinarians who are willing to spend their own money and their own time to attend a continuing education seminar having to do with birds. Her attitude was “my own bird deserves state-of-the art medicine, and yours does too!”

Another issue that we discussed recently was her article, “The ToP 18 ways to drive an Avian Veterinarian CRAZY.” This is a classic article and those of us who only see birds and exotics really understand and unfortunately nod our heads in recognition, albeit sadly. Those words still rattle us vets 15 years later. One common item to share is number 5 from an owner: “Don’t do annual check-ups with their birds, only bring in a bird when there is an emergency.” Unfortunately, this still drives avian vets crazy. Birds deserve yearly exams just like dogs and cats!

I will always remember Liz at the podium discussing how we vets would grab birds up in a towel – acting, as she said, like a Harpy eagle! “And how and what does the parrot think?” she asked the veterinary audience with her eyes almost bulging! “No wonder they scream and are in a panic!” She went through a calm, slow approach with the towel, and we all benefitted.

Once she came to visit my avian and exotic animal hospital, and she patiently answered questions and worked with a variety of owners, from those wanting a 5-minute “silver bullet” session to ask questions about their birds to those who paid to spend an hour with her and their birds. She was able to assess and provide care from biters to screamers to complex problems. I remember how Liz replied to an owner who said her young Amazon parrot had not bitten her. “Yet!” was Liz’s one-word response. I often think of that word when owners say similar things. And I smile, and think ”Yet “in Liz’s voice.

Liz reminded us that parrots are intelligent sentient creatures. She wanted so much for humans and birds to live well together. Her words over the years ring true to all of us in our search to enhance the lives our companion birds. Liz was very special, just like the parrots that she loved. We will miss her words of wisdom.

About Susan Orosz, PhD, DVM, Dipl ABVP (Avian), Dipl ECZM (Avian)

Susan Orosz, Ph.D., DVM, Dipl. ABVP (Avian), Dipl. ECZM (Avian) Dr. Orosz is a board-certified specialist in avian medicine and surgery, both in the United States (ABVP, Avian) and in Europe (ECZM, Avian). She is known internationally through the advances made for the health care of birds, books and articles she has written, and her lectures to veterinarians and bird owners alike.Read her full bio.

18 Ways to Drive an Avian Vet Crazy from Lafeber cares

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18 Ways to Drive an Avian Vet Crazy

The following list is compiled from experiences I had working for twenty years with avian veterinarians. Each is true. Bird owners drive their avian veterinarians crazy when they do the following.

1. Leave a message for the avian veterinarian to call, then expect a callback within 5 minutes, no matter what.

Avian veterinarians are generally incredibly busy caring for sick birds and talking to their owners. It is often late evening before they finally have to a chance to sit down and start returning messages that have accumulated through the day. Bird owners have to wait their turn. As an aside, if owners suspect a problem with their bird, they should schedule an appointment, not leave a message for their veterinarian to call.

2. Call in hysterics when their parrot preens out a feather and they think it is starting to pluck … and then don’t call when the bird is too quiet for a week.

Feather damaging behaviors – while upsetting – are not a medical emergency. Yes, the bird definitely needs to be checked by an avian veterinarian, but this is not a Life Or Death issue. On the other hand, a parrot being too quiet for a week could very well be a medical emergency, and an avian veterinarian should see the bird NOW.

3. When the avian veterinarian finally gets a chance to return a routine call at 10 PM, owners tie her up for 45 minutes with “while I have you on the phone, I have one more quick question about a bird I used to have…”

If the avian veterinarian doesn’t return a call until late, odds are good that she’s had a long and exhausting day. I know how tempting it is to ask multiple questions that are unrelated to a current case. I always have questions for my avian veterinarian who knows so much! But please, give your avian veterinarian a break!

4. Stop medications your avian veterinarian prescribed without consulting with your vet because, “He was better…” or “He didn’t LIKE it…”

Owners should NEVER stop medications for ANY reason, without first consulting first with their avian veterinarian. Stopping an antibiotic too early can enable bacteria to become immune to a drug, and the bird is likely to relapse and become MUCH sicker the second time around. Other medications, such as steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, can be extremely dangerous if stopped abruptly. It is vital that all prescriptions be given exactly as directed, as often as directed, and for as long as directed.

5. Don’t inform the avian veterinarian about financial constraints when extensive testing is recommended, then complain loudly about the bill to the receptionist and clients in the waiting room.

Owners have to advise their avian veterinarian if there are financial restrictions. If they say nothing, veterinarians will assume there is no problem with expenses. (Besides, it’s a cheap shot to complain to the receptionist, since she has nothing to do with billing.)

6. Don’t follow the avian veterinarian’s instructions because “someone on the internet” or “someone in a pet store” (they don’t remember who) said it wasn’t a good idea.

The internet has been sardonically nicknamed the MISinformation Highway, thanks to the incredible amount of bad information posted there. Anyone can pose as an “expert,” no matter how little they actually know. If you are careful, there is excellent information as well, but it you know little, it is difficult to judge what is accurate and what is not. As you learn in the beginning, stick to websites recommended by your avian vet as having good information about companion birds.

As for assuming that someone working in a pet store must be knowledgeable, that is sadly far from true. Many pet store employees have little or no accurate information about birds. After all, working in a store doesn’t guarantee someone has actual knowledge about the products they sell.

Bird caretakers have to trust their avian veterinarians, rather than a faceless stranger or a clerk in a store. An avian veterinarian has specialized training, has seen the bird, knows its history (IF the owner has told him/her everything) and has test results (IF the owner has allowed him/her to do diagnostics). The stranger does not. If owners don’t trust their avian veterinarians, then they should find another avian veterinarian that they dotrust.

7. Don’t allow the avian veterinarian to do the required diagnostics … then complain when (s)he can’t give the owner a diagnosis, or the bird doesn’t get better.

When an avian veterinarian is not allowed to do the recommended diagnostics, he/she isn’t able to collect all the information needed to properly help a sick bird. Without sufficient data, even the most experienced avian veterinarian in the world can only guess what is wrong. Consequently, if a bird does not get better, it is not the fault of the avian veterinarian – it is the owner’s fault for not allowing the avian veterinarian to do a proper work-up.

8. “It’s not my fault because… nobody TOLD me …” [Fill in the blank]: … an all seed diet was bad, … overheated Teflon kills birds, etc, etc, etc.

It is the parrot owner’s responsibility to read, learn and question. It is impossible for anyone to teach someone all they need to know… That would take years!

9. Go through all the testing to make certain a parrot is healthy, then take it to the local pet shop for grooming because it is cheaper than going to the veterinarian.

By taking a bird into a pet store for grooming, an owner exposes a bird to other birds and therefore possible disease. This is NOT what you would call “saving money,” right?

10. When entering the exam room for an appointment, the owner removes the parrot from its carrier and allows it to climb on his/her shoulder… and then is unable to get it off when the avian veterinarian wants to examine it.

This is a tremendous waste of an avian veterinarian’s valuable time (and makes the owner look very silly).

11. Treat a sick bird with over-the-counter (OTC) medications from a pet store, and then complain when the avian veterinarian cannot do proper diagnostics.

Pet store medications are rarely (if ever) effective in curing a bird’s illness. However, they can affect some diagnostic tests to the point of invalidating the results. This is not the avian veterinarian’s fault.

12. Expect an avian veterinarian to provide state-of-the-art avian medicine – but get furious when he/she is unavailable because he/she is attending an avian veterinary conference (which is how he/she stays up-to-date so he/she is able to provide state-of-the-art avian medicine).

No explanation is needed for this one, but it happens, none-the-less!

13. If a bird dies, an owner doesn’t allow a necropsy (veterinary equivalent of an autopsy).

By not allowing a necropsy, an owner is denying the avian veterinarian knowledge that he/she could use to aid other birds in the future. We bird owners have the responsibility to help avian veterinarians learn as much as possible, so they can better help other sick birds. Also, if the owner has other birds, the avian veterinarian has no way of knowing if the other birds are at risk of contagious disease unless a necropsy is done on the bird that died.

Another example of this are clients who do not allow an avian veterinarian to treat a sick finch because it is an inexpensive creature – then complain that avian veterinarians know too little about finches. Knowledgeable breeders have post mortems done on anything that dies, including eggs.

14. Don’t do annual check-ups with their birds, only bringing in a bird when there is an emergency.

By doing annual check-ups, the avian veterinarian has a normal baseline for a bird, providing a norm against which future test values can be compared. This can enable the avian veterinarian to pinpoint slight changes that might indicate the very early stages of a problem developing, long before it can become serious.

15. Read about a bird’s medical problem on the internet and then ask their avian veterinarian to diagnose the condition.

Veterinarians (avian or otherwise) cannot diagnose a problem in an animal they have never seen. Neither can medical doctors. Don’t ask, ’cause they can’t tell.

16. Buy a bird at full price to “rescue” it from sub-optimal conditions, and then expect the avian veterinarian to discount his/her bill because the “rescuer” is such a good person.

Let’s remove the rose-tinted glasses and translate this into reality. Purchasing a bird under the above circumstances is actually rewarding the facility for shoddy care. By expecting a discount at the veterinary office, they are asking their veterinarian to work for less money – and veterinarians are already the lowest paid medical professionals in this country. So the substandard store stays in business (to screw up another animal’s care) and the avian veterinarian ends up working as a greeter at Wal-Mart. Does this make sense? Also, let’s clarify something else: if someone buys a bird from a pet store at full price, then that is a purchase, not a rescue.

17. Refuses to let the avian veterinarian do the diagnostics he/she recommends because the owner “just doesn’t have the money right now…” and then (s)he buys another bird on the way home.

Avian veterinarians have a bitter expression – especially about certain bird breeders: They can’t afford proper avian medicine, but they can always afford another bird. Sad, but often true. I suppose it’s a matter of priorities, yes?

18. Expect the avian veterinarian to discount his/her services because (s)he loves animals.

This is an amazing example of extraordinarily distorted reasoning. No one expects a lawyer to discount his services because he loves the law, nor does anyone expect pediatricians to cut their prices because they love kids.WHY do people think veterinarians (who are already making less money their fellow professionals) should do this because they love animals? You don’t believe me? Look it up. Veterinarians are the lowest paid professionals in the USA, making a starting salary of only $35-50,000 a year – and that is with four years of college and four years of veterinary school!

About Liz Wilson, CVT, Parrot Behavior Consultant

Liz Wilson is a certified veterinary technician and a parrot behavior consultant, with over 40 years of experience specializing in avian and exotic animal care. Read her full bio.

At What Price?

I am seeing an increase of those who are purchasing birds off of internet sales, and this has me very concerned. Not only are individuals doing this, but now those in rescues are also getting involved? The same people who have been saying that birds should not be purchased ever, are now doing exactly what they have said shouldn’t be done??? At what price are these birds truly being purchased for? And no I am not referring to the actual dollar amounts.  Are we “saving” one so that only others will be following them tomorrow? That is exactly what happens a huge percentage of the time! So once again, who is truly paying the price for these birds…sadly it is all the babies that are being bred and born and sold and resold again. This has to stop! We cannot claim to be rescuing birds, if we are paying a ransom to the same people who are breeding and selling them for a profit!

Houdini

If those in rescue are going this route, what does it tell the general populace? Isn’t this an exact contradiction to what we have been teaching? I keep reading the same excuses…..I couldn’t find a bird that I wanted in a rescue, there are no rescues near me or buying off of these ads is saving them….PLEASE just Stop! All Excuses!!!! We can keep on fabricating why we are doing this and come up with excuses and reasons, but the truth is….If you are in Rescue…you do NOT purchase birds. I get messages weekly from folks asking me to take in their birds for free…and I am not even running a  rescue.  What about all the birds already in rescues? What about the ones who have been waiting and in need of a home? How on earth is this helping? If “we” who are in rescue, now take the stance that it is ok to “purchase” a bird…where will the line be drawn? How will the general population know when and where it is ok to purchase and not to purchase. We are creating a huge grey area, in which we are completely contradicting the values we have been trying to teach for so long. Those who are not as close to the issues, will just see this as another excuse to make purchasing a bird ok. I can see it now, “well I am buying this bird from a pet store…because I am saving it” or ” it is ok to purchase off of ads because so and so does it and they are a rescue group” or ” I wanted a specific species, so it is ok to buy it since I can’t find one in a rescue”…….Get the picture?

Clemmie plucked by a mate in captivity

Handing over money to purchase a bird…is never a good idea. There may be some rare cases where the seller may not buy more birds to replace the one purchased, but nine times out of ten, that precious bird will be replaced with another and another. Plus there is the fact that if birds are not easily sold, then they won’t be bred in abundance any longer. This is what we NEED to happen. I am not so blind that I think breeding will end, but for the love of these precious angels…please please please STOP purchasing birds! You are hurting the very cause that we have been working so hard on stopping! If there are less dollars going for the selling of birds…there will be less breeding!

Andy outside getting some vitamin D

If this trait continues and we see the Rescues filling up with “purchased” birds…where will all the ones being surrendered go to? The Rescues are already so full and it is getting worse everyday. Where will all the babies go to when there just isn’t anymore room? Running a Rescue is very costly. The vetting, food and toy bills are astronomical already. Plus many need new cages upon arrival.  Now add-on the purchasing of birds and where does that leave them? I personally will not donate dollars to a rescue that is purchasing birds.

A Less Than Perfect Bird

I also want to mention that in no way is an adoption fee the same as purchasing a bird.The adoption fees are small compared to what is actually spent on each bird. Reputable rescues take every bird upon relinquishment directly to the vets. Then depending on their needs, some have many many costly visits just to get healthy.  Thousands can easily be spent on a bird in a very short amount of time and rescues only recoup a very small portion of this through their adoption fees. Where do you think all of those extra dollars come from? I will tell you, it comes from their own pockets, or folks who help with donations and fund-raisers. Reputable Rescues are NOT making any money off of these babies, in fact quite the opposite. They do this for their love of these precious ones. These babies are not cheap to care for properly. Most adoption fees wont even cover the initial vet fees. You also will have the a bird that you know the health conditions and full records so that their care can be continued properly.

Noelle healing begins

I am not heartless, those kind of ads break my heart as well. But I took a stand a long time ago that I would not put another single dollar into the hands of a breeder or anyone in the pet trade industry and I plan on keeping that promise. I will never again line the pockets of anyone making a buck off of these precious Angels! I will NEVER look into the eyes of my own babies and have to feel that I helped to further their plight! Is it easy to walk away….I cannot even begin to express how many tears I have shed over a bird in a bad situation. However I love them enough to do what is right to save more in the long run! We have rescues full of birds in need now. They I will support and do whatever I can to help get them the dollars needed to care for the birds already there.

31 Macaws Project Perry

I also am very aware of how unpopular this article will make me with some, but I don’t care! My only concern is always going to be “For the Birds”. I don’t need to be popular, I just have to be able to look my own Angels in their eyes and let them know that I am going to continue to fight for them and all the others who are out there waiting for their voice to be heard! So for the love of these babies, please stay off of those horrible pet selling pages!

Her Eyes are Homes to Silent Prayers

If you are going to be a “Voice for the Birds”…then at least have the decency to speak the Truth for them!

“Have the courage to say no. Have the courage to face the truth. Do the right thing because it is right. These are the magic keys to living your life with integrity.”

W. Clement Stone

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The Awesome Task by Bob Kaegi

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What is the awesome task? Is it simply something like being true to ourselves? Is it being the best we can be in our chosen fields of profession? Is it being our best with our families? I’d hope it’s all the above. I would hope the awesome task is included in all parts of our lives. For those of us who have chosen Rescue as a part of our lives I hope we have included that same thought to that task.

Many in rescue do the hard work. What is the hard work, you may ask. It’s the day to day working with the birds that have come to the rescues and sanctuaries looking for another chance at a happy life. Some have had good lives, but the majority has not. These are sometimes the ones, who may have for a short time had a good life, but the newness wore off and they were left to stay in cages 24/7 with the only contact of being fed and watered. For some, maybe that was every couple of days. You the rescue and sanctuary operator have the opportunity to fix what is broken. You do it all, you cook, you clean, and you play behaviorist, psychologist, physical therapist, and playmate. In the end you are the link to the outside world. You are the link to the forever home. The possibility for a bird to enjoy life again. You do all this work, and one day if you have done your job well, your charge will leave and break your heart. Because in Rescue that is THE AWESOME TASK….

For others, it’s the call for assistance to help the worst off of the bunch. It’s the ones who answer the call from a Humane Agent, or a Police officer. It’s the one where you go in and see birds living in absolute horror. You wear masks and protective clothing because the smell and filth is so bad you’re in tears, but the tears are hidden because your eyes are also burning from the stench. It’s hard to breathe, because your heart aches for those you came to rescue, but that too is masked again from the stench. You are the one who bridges the gap from bad to good. You get your hands dirty because you want to fight for them. You get them to the Veterinarians waiting on the other side in hopes of getting them to a breath of fresh air. You are there to give love, understanding, and a chance at a continued life in better surroundings. For some that may not work out, and as a group you may have to console one another for the loss of one who couldn’t be saved. You take that moment and are forced to move on to the next, and then the next. You heart will be full of joy and agony at the same time. Because in Rescue that is THE AWESOME TASK….

Others yet again who go visit a shelter to medicate, feed, water and clean, and give love scratches. They talk to those taken from horrible circumstances. They spend money for gas, drive many miles sometimes daily, weekly and so on to wear a name tag, all with the same name… Volunteer. Because in Rescue that is THE AWESOME TASK….

Others start groups and raise funds for those in need, they give time, money, products. They sometimes give to one, and sometimes give too many. Without them many would not be saved. They spend many hours online advocating for those who have less, and need more. It is with that dedication many are given the second chance, and sometimes third chances to live life in their forever home. Because in Rescue that is THE AWESOME TASK….
We are all part of the word Rescue. We operate differently, we all do different things, and many do it all. But we are all interdependent of one another. Working together helping to save what we all love and care so deeply about. At times we even have debates, and skirmishes, but in the end we do it to save a life, or make a life better. Because in Rescue that is THE AWESOME TASK.

Bob Kaegi

Commercial Bird Pellets Good Nutrition?? Dr Jeannie Thomason

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Commercial Bird Pellets Good Nutrition??
Dr Jeannie Thomason

I know many who believe completely in feeding pellets, some use it as the main diet…while others as only a part of their bird’s diet. I believe we all have our reasons for what choices we make and therefore I want to provide as much information as possible so that we can all make the best educated choices possible for our Feathered one.

Stainless Steel Buckets from Pet Edge

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These make great foraging and toy holders. These are flat sided so that they can hang against the cage and not tip over. They come in many sizes and the prices are fantastic!

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For more information or to order here is a link to their website Pet Edge

Parrots do NOT need Grit from Holistic Bird

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This article copied from Holistic Bird

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Hookbills neither require or naturally seek out any source of grit, whether it be silica based or soluble mineral based. Do not confuse this with the needs of certain macaws who eat clay to supplement lacking minerals in their native diets.

In my humble opinion, grit of any nature does not belong anywhere in the parrot diet or environment. They are simply not equipped physiologically to process it. With the documented problems of GI impaction and irritation, why should this even be a consideration? From the perspective of soluble mineral grits, the overriding factor should be if the bird suffers from a deficiency in these minerals. If so, supplementation would be the logical and sensible alternative. I personally can see no reason to ask for problems. Patrick Thrush

Almost all Australian parrots have access to grit. This probably horrifies all you North Americans. But before you get me up before the animal cruelty groups, we NEVER, I repeat, NEVER, see any problems with grit. My vet, President of the Australian chapter of AAV, has only ever seen two instances of impacted crops in 15 years of practice.

One was a tiel with a crop full of human hair from over preening his owner, and the other a lorikeet which had gone crazy with mango (understandable) and had a crop full of mango fibres. It is one of the great mysteries of aviculture why North American parrots are apparently so willing to get their crops full of grit and suffer impaction, while Australian birds never get this problem.

My own theory is that our birds are just more intelligent!<G> I do know that every parrot I have autopsied has had some grit in its gizzard, and I believe that grit does help the bird to more efficiently grind up the seed in the gizzard, thus reducing physiological stress. Also all wild parrots apparently have been found to have some grit in their gizzard, and I don’t think they would swallow it if they didn’t find it useful. I do acknowledge that grit is not essential, but I do believe it is useful. So, grit is a mystery, even RHH comment on the paradox, and the latest edition of Australia’s text on bird health, “Everybird” 1994 edition, still recommends that grit be made available, which we do without problem.

I must start out by emphasizing that my comments refer only to those species of parrots I am personally familiar with, that is the Australian parrots, Lovebirds, and Asiatics. Unfortunately Macaws, Amazons, and many other species of non-Australian parrots are extremely rare here in Australia, and outside my price range to keep.

I can assure those doubting that wild parrots intentionally consume grit that, from my own observatons, they do deliberately pick up and swallow grit. I have watched flocks of Corellas, Galahs, Major Mitchells, budgies, and other species, deliberately land on sand banks in dry inland river beds and peck away and swallow sand grains. It is a deliberate action on their part. In addition we all know the incredible ability of parrots to manipulate even very small seeds with their beak and tongue, while husking and then swallowing the seed. Given that ability, it is highly unlikely that a wild parrot would accidentally swallow grit.

What is surprising is the large amount of grit usually to be found in the gizzard of an autopsied wild parrot. A Rosella for instance might have up to 50 grains of grit in the gizzard. These range in size from perhaps white French millet size, down to almost microscopic size – presumably reflecting the amount of wear that the grain has undergone. At a recent Parrot Convention held in Grafton that I attended, one talk was by an avian vet, and was a demonstration of how to autopsy a parrot. The “victim” was a road kill Galah, and it’s gizzard had a pile of grit in it – almost half filled!

Birds that do not hull their seed such as finches, doves and quail have to have grit to properly digest their seed. Finches will die from starvation if they don’t have grit in their gizzard. As for how the practice of giving grit to parrots started, I would think it far more likely that it was as a result of both watching wild parrots and seeing what was in the bird’s gizzard when wild parrots were dissected.

Actually when an autopsy is done on a seed-eating parrot, it is surprising just how much seed seems to be swallowed unhusked. Some birds might have 20% or more of the seed in their crop which is unhusked, particularly the smaller millets and pannicums.

Parrots can certainly live their whole lives without grit. The question is whether having a significant amount of grit helps that bird to have a less-stressed (= more efficient) digestive system. I believe that it does. Anything that makes it easier, and more efficient for the bird to grind up the seed before the digestive system gets to work must be a help to the bird.

This idea that a sick bird will gorge on grit is a common one in the USA – all I can say is that I have never, ever, come across such a case. I have never seen an autopsied parrot with a gizzard full of grit and never seen grit at all in the proventriculus. I also find it incredible that a single vet in Florida sees hundreds of grit impaction cases a year, while Australian vets see none! Something is wrong here. Perhaps with USA vets not having exposure to wild parrot autopsies, they are not used to the large amount of grit that can occur in healthy wild birds. What they are diagnosing as gizzard impaction, to Australian vets might be a healthy and normal grit load for a bird.

My mention of crop impaction was solely because no case of gizzard impaction was seen, although some of the list stories from the USA do refer to crop impaction due to grit being a problem.

One could get speculative here, so here goes! While parrots can digest their food without grit, perhaps birds have indeed died from “grit deficiency”. Perhaps, as some later replies have alluded to, an absence of grit might lead to a long term digestive system problem due to inefficient absorption of nutrients due to inefficient grinding of seed. Such a deficiency may never show up as a primary cause of early death, but may result in a depressed immune system, and result in a bird having an earlier death than it should have. One could speculate in all sorts of directions here, but it will remain purely speculation. Even designing an experiment to test that hypothesis is daunting, never mind funding the 20 year lifespan of a project which would involve hundreds of birds!

Some comment has been made about possible compositional differences in the grit provided. I don’t believe that is of any relevance. The grit used by Australians tends to be whatever is handy. As long as it is small (about millet size) then it doesn’t seem to matter, if it is quartz, crushed volcanic rock or any other rock. Some use river sand, others beach sand, and others quarry crushings. My mix – a local river sand sold by landscape yards – is probably about 75% silica, with the rest being a real mixture. As I mentioned previously, crushed shell grit is useful only as a calcium source, it dissolves too quickly, and is too soft, to be of value in gizzard grinding.

While I am happy and relaxed about giving my birds unlimited access to grit, I neither encourage nor discourage anyone else to provide grit. It is a choice that has to be made by each individual, like the choice to feed pellets or seed (or neither!). And, as always, if in doubt – DON’T.

cheers, Mike Owen Queensland Australian Rep. World Parrot Trust.

Most avian veterinarians and aviculturalists in the U.S. no longer recommend feeding grit to birds. No one is even sure that birds in the wild “purposely” consume grit, even though small gravels and sand have been found in the contents of the proventriculus and gizzard of various wild parrot specimens. Some think that these gravel and sand particles could be debris that was stuck to food eaten from the ground or other surfaces.

The original idea of offering grit to parrots is thought to have been borrowed from poultry. Chickens and turkeys do need small bits of sand to grind off the hard outer coatings of seeds in order to digest them but parrots crack the seeds they eat before swallowing them. Not only do parrots use their beak and tongue to crack seeds and prepare them for digestion, they have hard ridge-like structures on the base of the upper beak and inside the mouth to aid in crushing hard food.

Birds have one stomach divided into two sections. The proventriculus is the “true” stomach and it adds digestive juices to the food. The second part is the gizzard (ventriculus)–a muscular stomach that grinds and pulverizes the food as it moves through the organ. Considering that so many birds have lived their entire lives without ever consuming grit and without developing digestive problems, the gizzards of parrots that crack their seeds obviously are capable of accomplishing their task without the benefit of grit.

As Mike said, Dr. Harrison wrote about the fact that the feeding of grit is controversial and he wrote that it is “viewed with disfavor in the U.S. but frequently offered to companion birds in Australia with few ill effects”. He goes on to say that birds fed “formulated diets” (pellets) are unlikely to need grit. He further states that as a compromise, a Cockatiel-sized bird can be offered five grains of grit biannually and a Cockatoo-sized bird can be offered a half-teaspoon of grit biannually. Dr. Gary Gallerstein recommends that smaller softbill species such as Canaries and Finches get two pieces of grit per week.

The most serious problems of feeding grit to parrots occur when a bird that is sick, and therefore has an abnormal or “deranged” appetite, has access to unlimited grit. Dr. Joel Murphy, holistic vet of Tampa, Florida and author of HOW TO CARE FOR YOUR PET BIRD, says that he treats hundreds of cases of grit impaction every year at his clinic. He said that whenever a parrot has a case of “indigestion”, and a bowl of grit is available, the bird usually eats enough grit to fill the gizzard and often the proventriculus too. He said that he doubts that a parrot in the jungle would find that many small rocks to consume at once if they had a similar digestive upset, and that the effect of eating this large amount of grit is like a person eating enough gravel to fill his stomach, and often results in death. He recommends not feeding grit at all but says that if you do, you should not give more than two pieces of grit to a bird in a six month period.

Since Mike’s vet in Australia has seen only two instances of impacted crop in 15 years of practice, I am very curious about the difference in numbers between Dr. Murphy’s “hundreds of cases a year” and Mike’s vet’s experience. It would be interesting if we could poll Avian vets in both countries. I have a feeling that neither of these numbers are “average”. Maybe there is a difference in the type and/or size of grit fed in the U.S. and Australia. Obviously, something is different! Could we be talking about two different parts of the anatomy? Mike mentions “crop impaction” while U.S. literature mentions proventricular and ventricular impaction.

A parrot owner who worries about grit impaction might keep in mind that parrots can and do digest their food without grit. There are many Avian medical problems that we cannot prevent, but this is a problem that can be avoided. Also, it is worth noting that while birds have died due to crop or gastrointestinal impaction, no birds have died of a “grit deficiency”. This should be of some comfort to those bird owners who are uncomfortable with the idea of offering grit to their birds. If one does decide to feed grit, soluble grit is said to be preferable since it eventually will dissolve and pass out of the bird’s system. Impaction of the gizzard will frequently resolve on its own with the help of X-rays and endoscopy for diagnosis of the problem, and supportive care and antibiotics. Surgery of the gizzard is difficult and is considered only after all other treatment modalities fail.

Dr. Robert Linville, DVM of Vallejo, California states, “Birds that hull their seeds do not require grit. Although they seem to enjoy picking at it, overeating grit can irritate and even obstruct the gastrointestinal tract. If grit is used, it should be provided in very small amounts. A few grains of grit a week is more than enough. We recommend a firm no-grit policy (exception is passerine birds such as Finches and Canaries).”

Since the benefits of feeding grit are an unknown, and the chance for impaction is a known risk, it seems that free choice feeding of grit to the larger parrot species might not be justifiable. Perhaps a happy medium could be reached by using only the vet-prescribed amounts of grit for the specific bird species detailed above, rather than the free choice feeding of grit for all parrots. Carolyn Swicegood

Maybe there is a nutritional link in the grit problem. Australian birds, on the whole, are fed very differently to American birds and as Mike pointed out many Australians use sand on the bottom of their cages.

Using sand as a grit source would provide silica. Speaking as a naturopath (because I’m definitely not a bird expert), silica is the mineral that controls the distribution and absorption of calcium (which is why re-mineralizing formulas for arthritis contain silica). Silica is also the mineral for “removing pathogenic waste”.

A bird that became impacted from over-indulging in sand/grit could be instinctively trying to normalise it’s mineral balance.

Children (and animals) that eat dirt are treated with the Celloid mineral Calc. phos. or homoeopathic Calc. carb. which would again imply a link with the calcium/mineral balance.

I wouldn’t discard nutrition as a cause of excess grit intake. I wonder what the diet is of these birds that suffer impaction from grit? Do birds that receive mainly a seed diet have the same incidence of this?

Carole Bryant (Naturopath),

Carole, Thanks for the info. on silica. I did not even think of sand as being a source of anything :(  So I will have to do some reading. I have been sprinkling it in the flights but it was more to keep the poop from sticking to the concrete…or the steel floor in one flight. Aside from that quite a bit always gets blown in and they’re down there pecking at it. The breeding cages also wind up with sand in food and water in small amounts daily. When I empty the water there is always a little grittiness to the bottom. So nature has obviously been taking care of the birds needs :)

Today I spent a lot of time in and out of the back door which resulted in tracking in quite a bit of sand. The house birds all have babies right now including a new hatch today…which in watching them they randomly picked at the sand. I let a few of the parent birds that are in the dining room flight and they went foraging in the sand build-up. They’ve been doing this for years with no ill effects to the babies or themselves…I just never thought about it before.

Another thing the house pets go nuts over is when I take out a tub of margarine or butter for toast for me…they attack the margarine/butter like vultures and shove each other out of the way. Which got me to wondering what is in there? Many tiel babies have been fed margarine (small amounts) from the parents, again with no ill effects. The only thing that I could think that would generate this response is possibly *lecithin* which I believe is used as the thickener/stabilizing agent. I think *choline,* which cockatiels tend to have a higher need for, is one of the active (??) ingredients of lecithin. So that is on the *To Do* current study list….and sources such as saturated (animal-egg) or polyunsaturated (vegetable) I do know that hardboiled eggs are looked at as a take it or leave it thing. So I think I’ll be looking at plant sources I can possibly grow that elicit such a response.

Susanne

Birdie Vest Patterns by Tammy Hollinger

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Tammy Hollinger Birdie Vest

Tammy Hollinger Birdie Vests

Tammy Hollinger Birdie Vests

Tammy Hollinger Birdie Vests

Tammy Hollinger Birdie Vests

These adorable vests are made by Tammy Hollinger and she will be sharing her patterns with us very soon.
She uses indestructible nylon fabric, which she purchased at fabricland for 22.00 a roll.

I will be adding the pattern soon :)